And so part of this work for me is just the ability to be able to tell people I understand. I get it. And yeah, it sucks. And it was painful and it's embarrassing and it was horrible. But God is going to use it for good. I can say that to them with 100% conviction because he's done it for me. Absolutely not. A great encouragement for our listeners to who might be in the trenches right now struggling with pornography. God can do amazing things and take our pain and our suffering and turn it into our testimony. And we can we can reach so many people. I just it's so encouraging. Well, Jim, let's pivot just a little bit because now you're you've been with integrity restored for ten years and you guys are doing some incredible work there. So you have a lot of different things that you're providing to support the church and to individuals. But let's talk a little bit about some of the ways that you're supporting. Let's start with the church first. What what kind of things, is integrity restored doing to serve the church and to help them be a beacon of hope to people in their congregations? So I think one of the most exciting things, we're doing right now, we just launched it. Theo mentioned it before. It's called the Three Pillars to Purity program, and that is an online 15 hour training program for priests. See, our priests are the front line. Often in this battle against pornography and the battle for souls and priests are often the first and often the only person that someone struggling has confessed this struggle to. And yet, in seminary, they're not specifically trained how to deal with this. So we developed this 15 hour online program for our priests, to train them how to do their daily ministry in this hypersexualized porn ified world we live in. So how do you handle this? In the in the confessional, in the sacrament of reconciliation? How do you handle it in Sacramento? Prep marriage prep? First communion confirmation. These are wonderful opportunities to educate, to protect, to prevent and to heal those people who are struggling. It's 92 different modules. It's a very robust program. It has video components, audio components, reading assignments, quizzes, assessments. It is really a great gift. And so we're grateful that we can make that available to our priests. We also travel around the country. Karen, where we'll go to the clergy convocations and we'll personally want, you know, present, in-person, live, to priests of a diocese. We go to schools and give talks. We do, student and parent nights, where we'll go in and and and help parents understand, like, it's not a question of if your child is going to be exposed, it's when and it's a question of how do they respond to that. Right. When we know statistically that the average age of exposure in the United States is between 8 and 10 years old. What people don't realize is that's the average. So half of that number is younger. And so we have to start talking about this way earlier than we're comfortable as parents in doing. It's a reality of where our children live today. We have programs for spouses. Bloom for Catholic Women is a great online resource for a spouse who's suffering from betrayal trauma. That is a real trauma that women are going through. When you talk to in the Catholic Church, Karen, we have the tribunals in every diocese, and the tribunals handle the Annulments. So the divorces in the Catholic Church. And when I talk to guys, the priests on the tribunals across the country, at least 50% of the marriages are there because pornography caused a significant rift or breakdown in the married in the marital relationship, so that those programs for spouses to help them recover. The good news is, in ten years of doing this, if the husband is struggling with pornography and he decides he's sick and tired of being sick and tired and starts to get some help, and if the wife gets help from the betrayal trauma that she's suffering, that marriage can and will flourish. And when couples say to me or to doctor opponents, or to Father Alan Hoff, or to Sister Tina or anyone of our team here. Well, if it could just go back to the way it was, we all say the same thing. You don't want that. It obviously wasn't good. You had a lot of problems. Let's make it what God wants it to be going forward. That's what we want. And when that happens, when it's three in the marriage, not just two when it's husband and wife and God the Father. Wow. That relationship is incredible. And that's what the great Archbishop Fulton Sheen said. Right. Takes three to get married. Amen. There was a couple of things you said there that I want to, chime in on for a second. As someone who went to seminary, I can attest that you know, our moral theology teacher was excellent. And she did cover this. But the nature of seminary is such that you can only kind of go across the surface of certain things. You can give a class period, maybe two, to, you know, just about everything, whether that's the issue of pornography or sexual morality or Christology or whatever that is, you know, one class, two, maybe three. But this issue is coming up in confession so often that it really does need further formation. And that's what I find myself, you know, telling people or some of the people from seminaries that I talked to. So good on you guys for creating this course, helping priests be further trained. And, you know, the other thing that you mentioned is that priests really are the first line of defense. The Barna stats say that most people, 80 over 80% of people who are regularly watching pornography do not tell anybody. But, you know, Catholics do have, you know, those who can, who know at least to go and confess it, you know, can have that assurance that when they confess it to the priest, he can't tell anybody. Right? So, you know, that makes him the first line of defense. So we definitely need to make sure the priests are well prepared when they hear this, even if they only have 3 or 5 minutes to talk to the penitent. Yeah. And one of the things, one of the things that this program does is help. Help the priest, obviously. You're right. They have three minutes roughly in the confessional with, with each person that comes in. So there's not a lot of time you're not going to do a lot of healing work, but we teach him how to make introductions to local resources, whether that's therapists or, hey, look, let's just start with getting you on Covenant Eyes right now and use integrity 30 as your promo code if you do it. But let's get them on Covenant Eyes to start. They can give little tips and then make an invitation if you would like. This seems to be a recurring theme or recurring struggle. If you would like to meet, come to my office. Let's go grab a coffee and then spend that time to really come up with a comprehensive plan using local resources, using covenant eyes, using integrity restored to help people find a path to healing. Yes. That's fantastic. And just to be clear, for the listeners of you, you know, if you make an appointment with the priest for confession, he can give you more than three minutes. But if you are going to your own local church, it's a Saturday afternoon and there's a whole line that we'll probably only want to take 3 or 5 minutes with you. And, you know, confession is an important part of the process. But, but, Jim, we are coming out of the addiction cycle right? Absolutely. For for many, many people, confession becomes part of the ritual. So, let's say, you know, it's a Monday night I fall. Well, I might as well binge all week. And then once I go to confession Saturday, then I'll stop and then go to confession Saturday. And they do their penance and they, you know, they walk out of that church and they're on fire, and they go to Mass on Sunday and they receive and they're feeling great. And then they get into a big fight at work with their boss, and they come home and, you know, the dog has pooped on the living room floor, and the wife is angry and blah, blah, blah. And so what do they do? They go back to the thing that gives them that dopamine rush and they say, well, Monday was bad. I, I, I fell because I was bored, lonely, anxious, stressed, tired, depressed, whatever. And then they do the cycle again and again so that confession becomes part of the ritual and, and that's why it's really important. I tell people all the time they have a regular confessor who who gets to know you, even if you stay behind the screen and they don't know exactly who it is they're going to know from week, like, oh, yeah, this is the same story as last week. This is the same story as last week. So that they can say to you, I really think we should talk outside of the confessional to see if there's anything we could do to help you break free. That's so good. And, you know, you mentioned, you know, having that person or someone that you can confess to. I think that's so good. And I think also, if you're struggling, having a tool like Covenant Eyes helps because what it does is it creates this buffer so that when you feel the trigger, when you feel stressed, you've had the bad day and you're angry and you want to go on your device. There's that little icon from Covenant Eyes, and it's this pause that gives you a minute and lets the Holy Spirit, you know, press in on you a little bit, and it might just be enough to deter you from making that choice. And if you do fall and you do make the choice to view pornography, then your accountability partner will know and they're going to follow up with you and be like, bro, you know what happens? You know, let's talk. So I just that's why like it's there's such a comprehensive approach when when addressing pornography it's not just one thing. Right. We need all the things all the chapters and all we've got to attack sin like what it is. I mean, we have to go to war with our sin. Well, you know, it's an interesting thing, when we have those triggers, it's always been really interesting to me, especially as a martial artist and a guy that feels like, oh, you know, I'm in control of myself. I'm not a neuroscientist, but it's always interesting to me. So that deepest part of our brain, we all know it as fight, flee, freeze. Right. It's you're not thinking, but there's a fourth part. Fornicate in in that part of our brain. It's kind of the I call it the reptile brain. Right. When that trigger happens, we are so trained to shut off our frontal lobe, to just try and get that dopamine hit, that we recess to that deepest, instinctual part of our brain, trying to get that soothing from whatever it is. And so if you take that moment, if you see that Covenant Eyes logo, if you take just that singular moment to switch back to the frontal lobe, where you're thinking you have the opportunity to stop, it's really curious because if if I put any of us in an MRI machine and we have a scenario where where we're activating the reptile brain, you see the front of your brain goes dark, there's no thinking happening. So that logo, that listening to a podcast, going for a walk, doing some pushups, whatever it is to break free in that very moment from that reptile brain is going to save us from falling. Wow, that's a no. I mean, I know you said you're not a neuroscientist, but that was a pretty good explanation of what happens in the brain. And it's such a it really does affect the brain too. It's one of the one of the teachings I really love from you guys is, for people who aren't convinced, start with the science. You know, I mean, to me, that is, I look, I've had that conversation with many of my friends. I've had that conversation with thousands of youth and young adults. And when we start as Christians, when we start with the moral issue, when we start with this sinful nature of of this habit, we lose. Why? Because the world at large has them. It tells them that's not true. Everybody's doing it. It's normal. What do you. You're not hurting anybody. I mean, many of the excuses I used. Right. And so, when you start with that, it doesn't seem real. It doesn't seem concrete when you start with the science and you can actually show people. I mean, it's amazing what we know now. You can show people what's happening in your brain, what's happening neuro chemically, how you get addicted to these brain chemicals. They go, whoa, wait a second. That makes sense. And a conversation with a buddy of mine not too long ago and, very successful, successful businessman. And I grew up with him. We know each other since we're five years old. And we were talking about this issue, and he's like, look, Jim, I travel all the time. I don't cheat on my wife, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do anything. So if I want to watch some adult stuff once in a while, what's the big deal? I asked him one question and I said, you don't have to answer me, right. This is between you, your conscience, and God. But when you're traveling a lot and you're looking at pornography a lot, does it change the way you look at other people? Just answer that question. We talked about the mats, other stuff, whatever. Two weeks later, he came back to me and he said, you S.O.B., you're killing me. I said, oh, so it does change the way you look at other people. He was shocked. And then from there, we could have a lot of other conversations why he's doing it, why he feels this anxiety, this stress, this because I believe fully for most people, men and women, the blasted effect blasted, blasted, bored, lonely, anxious, stressed, tired and depressed. Those triggers are the most common where our brain has learned, well, if I do this thing, I'm going to feel better, even if it's just for a little while. And so we got into those conversations and he's like, dude, you're right. That's always what happens to me. Like, how do you know this stuff? Because you're human. You're just like everybody else. We are really, really bad at being uncomfortable. We're not good. We don't like it. So we look for any way to break that discomfort. And pornography, unfortunately, has become a great self-soothing tool for most people. It is great, though, that, this issue of pornography is one example of several issues on how, you know, the teachings of science. The discoveries of science really do line up with the teachings of Christianity, and that can be a whole. Praise. In itself. That that would be a great show. Yeah. Yeah, it would definitely. But I mean, and that's why you even see secular organizations devoted to this who are allies with us on this. Whether you talk about Fight the New Drug or no FAP or some of the other ones. But, yeah. So I'm just really glad that you guys, and that we are covenant eyes as well, have put together resources that have, you know, really emphasize that scientific aspect. Praise God for that, because it really is the, the, the intersection of truth, right? Truth with a big T capital T truth. There are truths in this world and science definitely supports the faith and vice versa. Jim. Well, you know, it has been really a delightful conversation and just so much wisdom. Your organization has done so much to impact the Catholic Church and so many people out there. I want to make sure people can get connected with you and your ministry. So in closing today, would you mind sharing with them how to find your, your site and all of these resources? And then for our priests that are listening, how they might be able to get in touch with that amazing training program that you guys have put together. Yeah. So, Integrity restored.com is our main site. We have a bunch of stuff we do a weekly podcast as well. We have six free ebooks that anybody can, sign up for and download. We have blog posts, all kinds of resources. The, self-assessment tool to determine whether you have a pornography addiction or not. So visit Integrity restore.com for the priest training program. There's there's two, two things I'd like to say about that. If if you're a priest who's listening and you're interested, it's three. Spell it out. THRE3 pillars to purity.com, and you can go right there and sign up and right on that sign up page. You know, there's the mSRP, if you will. And then there's a number of discounts at 10%, at 25% or 50%, even 100% discount. Father, if you can't afford the program, take the discount. We want you to be trained. We're not going to let money stand in the way. Which brings me to my next point. If you're a layperson and you want to support these priests who can't afford it, please make a gift or actually write on three pillars to purity.com. There's a tab that you can click to gift this program to your parish priest. And so those are ways everybody can get involved in helping to make sure our priests are trained and equipped to deal with this modern day scourge, attacking our families, our faith and ourselves. That is amazing. And wow, what a blessing to our priest out there that you guys are making that affordable at whatever rate, whether it's nothing, you know, that just means that you guys are truly committed to the mission and your heart is to really serve priests and people well as they overcome pornography. So thank you, Jim. Well, Theo, it has been a lot of fun doing the podcast with you today. And Jim, it's always a pleasure to have you on. That brings us to the close of today's episode. To all of our listeners. Be sure to like and subscribe. Make sure you share this podcast far and wide. We want to get as many people in touch with integrity restored as possible. And until next time, we'll see ya. Take care. God bless.