Hey, everybody, welcome back to The Covenant Eyes Podcast, Karen Potter here. I'm the director of marketing for Covenant Eyes and also the host of The Covenant Eyes Podcast. And this is our special edition of the Voices of Victory podcast episode, where we actually sit down with guests in person, which is amazing, no zoom, and we get to talk and learn a little bit about their faith journey and talk about all sorts of great things. And today we have an amazing guest joining us. We have Hannah Williamson joining us. She is a preacher, teacher, an amazing woman, and she also is a Christian influencer out there making a difference in the world. Hannah, welcome to the podcast High. Gear and thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. I love coming, I so I'm just so excited to be here. I feel like we've been connected forever and finally get to meet y'all in person. So yeah, this is going to be fun. I know we've communicated for years over email, so it's a nice to be in person. Finally. Yes. One-hundred percent. Awesome. Well, for the listeners that aren't familiar with your work, which I don't know how they couldn't be because you're everywhere online, but can you talk a little bit about what you do and why you do it? Yeah. So I obviously am passionate about Jesus. And so my heart is to get Gen-Z back to biblical truth and not just Gen Z, but all generations. I feel like we have a generation that's going after all different kinds of things, like witchcraft, New Age, you know, pornography. And they're running towards every other thing except for Jesus. And Jesus said, you shall know truth, and the truth is what will set you free. And so that's my heart, because that's what has set me free continually over the years, is just coming back into alignment with the Word of God and just being led by the Holy Spirit. So that's my heart for Gen Z. I'm like, I want them to know Jesus and to know the Word of God and to be led by the Holy Spirit. So yeah, with everything I do online, with YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, you know, all the social media platforms, that's my heart is incredible. You know? Then back to biblical truth. Yeah, it's. Great. And we need those voices out there because unfortunately, culture is pushing their own narrative. Right. How do you see that impacting your generation specifically? Because I know I mean, your generation grew up with technology, and technology has a mind of its own, and it's definitely sharing a worldview that sometimes is countercultural to the biblical worldview that a lot of us have. Yeah. It's wild. I remember a couple years ago, I think it was like 2 or 3 years ago I got on TikTok, and all of a sudden this live stream popped up of a witch doing a free tarot card reading. Whoa. Yeah. It was wild. It blew my mind. I'm like, wait, what? And she was having young people come with their names, and as they committed their names, she was giving them free tarot card readings. And so you used to have to go somewhere and pay somebody to do this. But now you can go on TikTok and get it for free. And it's a hashtag called witch talk. So there's witches on TikTok who go on there and they're doing all these things and teaching this generation how to be witches. And so same with even pornography. We used to have to go somewhere, go to a store and buy it and pay somebody, and now you can get it at the palm of your hands on your phone. And so it's crazy how it's impacted this generation. At the palm of their hand, they can go to anything they want to go to. And everybody's going after my truth now instead of the way, the truth of the lie, which is Jesus and what they don't know is all these other paths are sending them down a path of darkness and destruction. And so, yeah, I'm just mind blown. I'm like, I cannot believe this stuff is so accessible online. So it's wild. That is wild. Yeah. And you know, social media is it's incredible because so many parents nowadays are letting their kids get online earlier and earlier ages. And so they're getting exposed to this stuff. Imagine an 8 or 9 year old getting exposed to that, that witchcraft, you know, TikTok thing. And that would be detrimental because I can take them on a rabbit hole that they can't get out of. So yes, as you're speaking online and you're doing all the work that you do online in different ways, are you also going places and preaching and teaching in person, like do you get out there because, I mean, I feel like we build these like online personas and like these online lives, but we can't get away from the body of Christ being community. So how do you balance all that? Yeah, that's so good. And I've seen a lot. I mean, we're seeing a lot of ministers falling right now. And so my heart has been so burden for the body of Christ. And like what where have we gone wrong? You know, what are we doing wrong here. And so my heart is local discipleship as well as online because online I love it because it's free. And you can get on there. And just like you guys are doing, you guys are posting, you know, Covenant Eyes and sharing that with people online. Well, we can get online and we can share about Jesus and it's free. And that's amazing. This is the first time ever in years where we've been able to share the gospel online for free, but also if I'm going to be online and preaching and teaching the gospel, I also want to be a disciple in on a local level. And that doesn't mean just across the US. That also means on a local level, like where I live. Yeah. And so I try to pool young girls if I, you know, have friends with young girls in my community or at church. And, you know, we start to just become friends and like, hey, like, let's go grab coffee and just walking them through the Word of God and, you know, being friends to them and just being there for them. And I feel like we've lost that art of discipleship and walking hand in hand with people. And so if we could get back to that again in the church and accountability and walking hand in hand with people and actually taking young girls under our wing, if we're, you know, women or men taking young men under their wing and actually showing them the ropes, like showing them the word of God, like, this is the instruction manual to life, and this is the path that leads us to life. I feel like we've lost that. So yeah, I teach a preach across the U.S, but also I want to make sure that I am staying low as an influencer and stayed humble and making sure that I'm walking alongside people where I live locally. And so that's plus my heart so much. Yeah, I have, you know, awesome community there that I can just, you know, hang with and, you know, help disciples. So yeah. So yeah. So, you know, talk to me a little bit about, how pornography is impacting your generation because certainly, you know, it's got to be difficult for a young Christian woman who might be of the dating age looking for people. I mean, for a male counterpart today, I mean, they're all being exposed, and so many of them are addicted. How is that impacting the dating culture for Christians as well? Oh my goodness, Karen. It's yeah, it's interesting for sure. I feel like we have an oversexualized culture where that is our brain now. We think of people in that way. We look at people with those eyes because, you know, you have Victoria's Secret and just all of this stuff going on in our culture with movies, with TV shows. And so our brains are more so starting to be wired that way, especially because we're on our phones all the time. And so I think that's why the Bible says, do not be conformed to the patterns of this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. And again, that's the path that leads to life. That's what actually brings our mind and our heart. Life. But yeah, I've just seen even within the dating scene, it's become so oversexualized. And I think that's actually what fuels legalism as well. And I've seen so many people because of that. You know, you have the sexual revolution. Take that, take what's happening and respond to it with things like purity culture. And you know that I'm so passionate about purity that is my heart. Yeah. But I think that within dating we have to have pure hearts and not just have this fear. Yeah, this fear based mentality of I have to be perfect. I have to, you know, be pure in my relationship. Otherwise God's going to strike me down. And I feel like that's been our response to what's happening, when in reality we just need to have pure hearts before the Lord and have this reality that we're sons and daughters of God, and he loves us so much, and we love him so much that we want to please him, even with our dating lives. Like, I love God so much that I don't want any other worldly thing in the way of that. And so I've just seen this hookup culture and, you know, you have pornography that fuels that. And so people are going from person to person, and we're building relationships off of this romantic foundation instead of building friendship and then bringing that in once it's time. Yeah. And so it's yeah, it's just cause us to chase after that rather than to chase after Jesus. And then that comes in in the perfect timing. And so I would just love to see this generation shift their mindset when it comes to purity and get free of these legalistic mindsets that fill us with shame when it comes to dating, and know that it's natural desires. Their God given desires, and it's holy within marriage to desire things like sex. But to know that we have to have pure hearts before the Lord. And that's what actually helps us to live holy and to live pure. It's not fear, but it's a love for Jesus and knowing that he loves us. And so, yeah, I kind of went off on a tangent with the whole dating thing. But yeah. I see that whether the dating culture is just people or, you know, they're going wild. And again, it's fueled by, I believe, pornography. So yeah, our culture certainly is porn ified. I mean, we see it in music and when we hear it music, we see it in TV, movies everywhere. I feel like maybe Christians are even becoming desensitized, and that's really dangerous for us. So what steps can young people take to get their discernment back so that they're better able to navigate culture and and technology and movies and all the rest, right. Yeah, that's. Honestly something that I've also been talking about lately. Me and my friends have been literally talking about this where, like, the church needs to exercise her discernment muscle more than ever because we have so many things being thrown at us. And with discernment. It's not just saying, okay, this is witchcraft in witch talk and tarot cards. Yeah, that's all evil. And then this is good. It's the church, it's Christianity. It's so easy to discern between those two. But what's hard to discern is when they're mixed together and when it's so close and it's it's like discerning between what's right and what's almost right. So you're kind of teetering that line and some things can look right. But in reality they're filled with darkness and they can look pure, but in reality they're filled with darkness. And so we have to be like, okay, Lord, what's pure like what's truth? And something that's really helped me is getting rooted in the scriptures. My parents helped disciple me grow growing up, and I'm so thankful for that, because then once I launched out into the world, you know, everyday life and work and being around people who are not saved, I had that foundation in the word and that helped me almost repel from the world. I know some people are like, oh well, your kids need to be around all those things. And then they, you know, need to get used to it. They need to get used to the world. But kids are like sponges and we soak things up. And so I noticed that once I got launched into the world, I had this innocence about me that maybe you want to repel from it. And it helped me discern more between this is good and this is evil. And like, I want to stay away from this and I don't want to, you know, participate in these things because it doesn't please the heart of a ward. And so, I just got this mindset of, this is our instruction manual to life. And just like this chair that I'm sitting in right now, the person that put it together and created the instruction manual for this chair, they know how it's going to function the best. And Karen, you and I, if they did not, if the person who built this chair didn't use the instruction manual, we probably would have a one way ticket to the floor. Yes. And we sitting on the floor right now. Right. And so that's what I look at the Word of God like is, you know, Jesus died on the cross for us and he set us free from the power of sins. We're no longer bound to it. And so this is our instruction manual to life. And when we live our life out this, when we're rooted in this, this, that's what will keep us pure and holy and help us to discern this is right. And this is so wrong. So that's great. No. That's good. And for, you know, our listeners sake, what is your story of coming to Christ? I mean, were you saved at a young age? Was this a journey for you that you went through in high school? Or like where, when did you get saved and how did that work? Yeah, so like I said, my parents raised me in the word, raised me in church. I definitely went through the motions for years. And I realize at age 13, I actually started to pursue relationships for the first time, and I just started to have some curiosity towards those things and like, okay. And so I started to rebel against my parents and kind of go away from the Lord a little bit. And the Lord just pulled me right back and I got convicted. I remember I was at school and I had a secret relationship at school. No. And it was crazy because I don't even think I've ever talked about this, like, publicly. But it randomly got found out because the guy that I was dating, you know, it's a middle school relationship. So there's air quotes. Yeah. This paper fell underneath the locker because this girl wrote this funny story about our relationship. Oh, no. And there was like, no PDA allowed at school. And so the. Principal found it out. I got called to the office, and it was wild because even something so silly and simple. Yeah, that actually convicted me. I was sitting there and I looked at my principal cause I went to a I think I already said this, but a Christian school, And I said, I don't have a real relationship with Jesus. And I started breaking down in my principal's office and crying. I had so much mascara on, oh my gosh, blessed middle school days. I started crying and I just remember all this black going down my face, it all over my sweatshirt, and I said, I need to give my life to Jesus right now. And so he ended up sending me to the school counselors office, and she led me to the Lord. She walked me through Romans. And now that I realize, I think she actually walked me through Romans eight. And to this day, that's one of my favorite books of the Bible. And so, yeah, I just gave my life to the Lord, and I remember ours in the secret place. After that, my friend groups immediately changed my whole perception, even of school. When I came back, the next day was totally different. I just viewed it as, you know, oh my goodness, I need to make friends that, you know, walk with the Lord and, you know, help me go down the right path that I need to be walking. And it just my whole entire perception change. And so yeah, from that day forward, just been following the Lord in the secret place, studying the word and all those things. That's incredible. Thank you for sharing that. And and your parents are probably like, oh, I didn't know about bad. No. Yeah. No they knew they knew. Okay, good. Oh my dad. Oh no. It's just oh God. The whole. School. Situation. Yeah. Oh wow. I'm thankful for it now. Yeah I mean obviously yeah. That's great. Well, how does your faith shape the work that you do with the work that you do on YouTube and TikTok and all the other places that you're at? I mean, how does your faith shape that? Because there is there's an interesting kind of trend on TikTok, YouTube, all the rest where, you know, girls really are. I call it click baiting a lot of their content because they want to get viewers, you know, they they're saying, I'm a Christian, but yet what they're putting out there is a little less than, you know. Yeah, but coming of a Christian young lady. So how do you keep your faith, you know, driving your content? Yeah. That's good. I call it thirst traps, if I can be frank. Okay. Thank you. I think there was a word for it. I know my kids told me what it was once. I just kind of remember. Yeah. They call it thirst trap. So. Yeah. Thank you. I. I think we made their trap. Okay. Like, made their shot. Yeah. So, Yeah. So I've actually been seeing other Christian influencers talk about this because they'll put a Bible verse, but then they'll be flaunting themselves and it just kind of contradict. Yeah, contradictory to one another. And it goes back to the purity of the heart because, because the Lord has transformed my heart and helped purify me from the inside out as I could. It hasn't been easy, let me tell you. There's been a lot of refining even the past year. The amount of refining that the Lord has had to take me through. It's a process for everyone, so we have to have grace for ourselves. But yeah, because I've allowed the Lord to mold me in that way. It doesn't come from outward. Me dressing modestly doesn't come from my outward. It doesn't come from fear. It comes because I love the Lord. So much that I want to please him with my body and how I present myself online. And so no matter what I post, I want it to be honoring and pleasing to the Lord. And so that's why I even set up accountability in my life. That's great. And so I have mentors and leaders around me that I've given them space and permission. If they see anything I post online and it's off on like, please text me and rebuke me. Okay. That's great. Yeah. So please let me know. And so they have that space in my life to do that. And I think that's so important for Christian influencers and just influencers in general. Have somebody in your life who's able to do that and bring you back to the Lord if needed. And so, yeah, it flows from my heart, I would say, because the Lord has transformed my heart, because Hannah on my own, I am not special. I would be posting probably wild content. Okay, fine. But I'm so they will for Jesus, use dreads for my hair in my life and I love him so much that I want to please him. And so it definitely flows from that place. But I haven't been perfect, so I just want to keep growing. None of us are. I mean, we live in a fallen world, so I mean, but that's great. I think that's good advice to you. I, I just think that more people need to hear that. Yeah. So you talked a lot about accountability there. So you know, that's our sweet spot at Covenant Eyes. We love accountability. So let's talk a little bit about accountability. I mean it's weird to me because in business you know there's all sorts of accountability in place. You know, you have accounting departments that make sure you're accountable for your, you know, bookkeeping records. And when you're working out, you tend to have an accountability partner in the gym. I mean, why is it weird that people don't have accountability on their technology where I think we need it? Yeah. That's so good. That's a good point. Because if I didn't have my county accountability partner in the gym, I probably would have stopped working out mine. I would have been done a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's a great question. And I feel like it's lacking a lot. And if young people understood that community is so important, God has created us for community and connection. And our phones, even though we're the most connected generation, are cell phones. Yeah, we're the also most disconnected generation I've seen so far. I mean, I'm only 25, but, you know, studying history, it seems like we're so disconnected and so God has created us for fellowship and for community and for accountability and walking alongside each other and, you know, pushing each other on an iron sharpening iron. And so I've seen that in my own life as I've, you know, pulled in accountability in my life. People have called me higher. And there's areas where they're like, you know, you know, that wasn't very Christlike. And it made me realize, oh my goodness. Wow. And, you know, they're not only telling me that's not Christ like like my parents when they raised us, they didn't just tell us no, but they also discipled us and showed us the why and the how and the what, and actually showed us scripture. And so that was really helpful for me because it helped shape my worldview. Like, okay, this is it's not that. It's just wrong. This is why I don't do this. Yeah. And so with online, we don't need to just be floating out there. And I was talking about ministers earlier and how ministers are falling left and right. Yeah. Well my question was where is the accountability. Where was the person where years ago where you fell into sin or you fell into sexual sin? Where was the person that called you out and called you higher and said, hey, let's take a break. You know, let's step back and let's get some counseling. Let's go to therapy. Let's go to spiritual therapy. Right. You know, it's so, yeah, that's been so important in my life to have those people walking alongside me. And, even the Covenant Eyes app, I have put it on my phone and I love the app. And I remember years back when you guys, we first started communicating and, just trying out the album. This is so cool that young people and ministers, I have met so many ministers who have Covenant Eyes on their phones, and that's so encouraging to my heart because it it shows me that they're actually taking practical steps to guard their purity and to guard their heart before the Lord. So yeah, having those people who can check in on you and even watching what you're looking at on Instagram and hit that on it, not interested, but and if needed, when something comes up on your feed, you know, I mean, there's times where I've literally taken the TikTok app off of my home screen, right? Because things have popped up. I'm like, this is awful. Yeah. So I'm just going to take it off there. We're going to take a break. I want to give it a breather. Yeah. No, I think I think that's a good way to deal with it too. A lot of times we need a technology break. I mean detoxes from technology are so important. Do you ever implement anything like that in your life at all? Like, yeah, a break from all the technology, all the social media. Yeah. So yeah, I'm definitely one on social media fast. And the clarity of the mind that I have after social media fast is such a blessing in my heart. I mean, I remember even to like 2 or 3 years ago, I, I noticed myself starting to get this more influencer mindset, and I was starting to get connected with more influencers. And I'm like, Lord, I don't want this. So I actually took 2 or 3 months off of social media at one point. And I had I think at that point I had a social media manager, but I was just thinking, I need to detox. Yeah, I need to. Take a break from this. I do not want any part in this mindset. And, you know, I just want to stay low and humble before the Lord. And so we're in this for the long haul. So that's that's the thing with ministry is we are in this for the long haul. And there's a generation that's looking up to us. Even when I see all these ministers falling, you know, I have compassion with for them because we're all human, you know, we all sin and we need forgiveness from the Lord. And thankfully we have that because of what Jesus did on the cross. And so there's grace, and there's no need to be ashamed when you repent and you give that to the Lord, he frees you of that stuff. But we should be in it for the long haul. And we need to realize that people are looking up to us. Young people are looking up to us. And so I want to last for the long haul, you know? Yeah, no, that's good. That's why I'm. Thankful for Covenant Eyes and, you know, screen accountability and, yeah, friends and mentors in my life who've just called me higher. Now that's really good. I think that's important. And I think that speaks volumes to your character as well. Just knowing, you know, when you because as an influencer, I'm sure the pressures are pretty intense and, you know, you can easily be lured in. We've seen lots of people in those positions. You know, that get sucked into things they don't want to. So I think that's great. I love that, and I think it's good advice for everybody to take a little break once in a while. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, talk to us a little bit about some of the things that you're doing in your ministry. New things that might, you know, be on the horizon for you and your ministry and for your channels. Yeah. Yeah. So honestly, last year was a hard year for me. I lost somebody who was very close to me. So I took a little bit of a break. And so I'm really just now going back at it and revamping things. And I've been rebranding lately and really seeking the Lord on what exactly he wants it to look like. And yeah, I just been going through that process. And so what's been on my heart is gospel outreach events. You know, even in my city, Charlotte, there's so much darkness that goes on in every city, honestly, now. Yeah. But seeing what's going on and just the pride parades and, you know, the impurity within sexuality that's leading people down a path of darkness. I would love to see, you know, those people even be set free and come back into alignment with how God created them. And so, yeah, I mean, gospel outreaches have been on my heart. Also, local Bible studies, I've been wanting to launch those again, where I'm meeting with people, you know, in person and just reading the word together and praying together. I remember doing that some years back, and we just met with a bunch of girls in a coffee shop. I rented a coffee shop out and, yeah, it was just cool to see the freedom that happened. Literally in the middle of a coffee shop where we were just praying for people driving by the coffee shop. We're probably think we're crazy. That's okay. It's okay, it's okay. But it was like all glass. And, you know, people can see inside. We're just laying hands on each other, praying for each other. And so people were getting set free and delivered. And so yeah, I would love to get back into that again. The Lord's really been putting stuff like that on my heart to really do things more so at a local level. But yeah, I plan to continue to travel, speak, you know, do things locally and also online and, yeah, I'm just pumped. I plan to honestly launch some courses in the future on just being pure online. And you know, how to walk that out. Oh, amazing. Yeah, we need some of that. There's actually not a lot of content related to that topic and how Christian, you know, young people can navigate the purity culture because it really got a bad rap back in the I don't know, maybe it was the 90s or the 2000, you know, I think it went overboard. You know, I think people ended up walking in fear versus understanding what it is and why you want to be pure and and save yourself for marriage. So yeah, I'm glad to see that there's a revival of that conversation. How do you navigate, some of these hot button you know, cultural issues and how do you talk about them? By offering compassion and grace and, and, but also biblical truth, like, how do you do that? Yeah. So good. I mean, I go back to Romans eight where it talks about the spirit of adoption, cries out, ABBA, father! And knowing that we're sons and daughters of God, that is change my life. It has changed my life. Knowing my identity in Christ and knowing that he has set us free from sin like it talks about in Romans six. And so it says, we're no longer slaves to sin, but now we're slaves to righteousness. And knowing that I'm free of shame, I'm free of condemnation. Because literally, Jesus took on condemnation on the cross for us, which blows my mind all the time. I'm like, wow, Lord, you're so good to do that for us. And so as I have this perspective biblically and knowing yes, we're supposed to live pure, Jesus said, be holy, for I am holy and knowing that we're supposed to walk in purity. So knowing these things, but also knowing that we're sons and daughters of God and He loves us so much, he just wants to see us live, right? And he doesn't want us getting hurt because sin ultimately leads us to hurt. And so that's the perspective I got as I go online. And that even helps me to be bold within these topics. You know, I haven't always had these mindsets. There have been times in my life where I've walked into major legalism, more so fear based. Yeah. But now having this perspective, it helps me see better online and to tackle these topics. And you know, the Bible says the righteous are as born as a lion. And so going on there and just having this compassion for young people and not just looking at them and saying, oh, they're just dirty sinners. And like, all they want to do is just sleep around and all this stuff or watch pornography, but seeing they're really searching and they're searching for their identity and they're searching for their purpose and they want to know truth. And so, yeah, it just gives me this boldness to get on there and say, this is the way, even if it's a really uncomfortable subject to talk about. But yeah, seeing them get set free in that way. And it's, it's been so cool to see the testimonies that have come out from, you know, being online and doing ministry. So it's a blessing. It's been such a blessing. You probably hear from a ton of different people all over the globe, I would imagine. So it's what's that like hearing, you know, how your ministry is impacting them and shaping them and helping to transform their heart and lead them to Christ? It honestly brings me to tears. I've seen different people text me and just say, hey, I was healed of this thing on the live stream. Or, you know, I just got, you know, healed of vertigo or whatever, just seeing different testimonies like that or, you know, we saw this transgender girl end up giving her life to Christ after meeting her online and then meeting her for coffee in person. And so there's just been different things like that. That is so sobering because it's not me. It's truly the Holy Spirit. Hannah is an imperfect, sometimes very unorganized. Person who. Needs the Lord. Help me on a daily basis, let me tell you. But it's just so cool because it's truly the power of God. Because the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives on the inside of us. And so it's so sobering. It's like, Lord, you use us human, just imperfect. But you love us so much that you want to partner with us in kingdom advancement. And so yeah, it's been such a blessing in my heart. It just makes me cry, honestly. And just so thankful to the Lord to see. Yeah, people online getting set free. So incredible. You've done a few episodes about dating and you've talked a lot about purity. You did one on dating that I thought was really interesting. What is what is your stance on, you know, Christians, young, young people dating like what? What do you tell people? Yeah, I really do have the perspective that I think we should be friends before we jump straight into a relationship. You know, there has been areas, like I mentioned earlier where I think I've become a little legalistic, and I've honestly been working out those belief systems with the Lord and just seeing what the Lord's heart is on that. Instead of going at it with a fear based mentality. But I think, like I was mentioning earlier, is that a lot of times when we start to look for our future spouse, which is such a blessing and again, it's something from the Lord and it's something that it's normal to desire. I think sometimes we can shame ourselves for even having desires, to want to be married. But I feel like having that friendship foundation helps build this strong foundation at the beginning. And so that's the desire of my heart is to not just jump in straight. Yeah, just jump straight into a romantic relationship where that's the foundation. Because then if I'm married down the line and I knew I could be compatible friendship wise with this person and something happens, then I know no matter what, we have built a solid foundation of friendship and built this foundation in Christ that we're not going to be shaken. And so I love having this selfless perspective, you know, towards dated and towards marriage. It's not about us. Yes. It's so beautiful and it's awesome and it's fun, but ultimately it's about Jesus and serving him and his kingdom and so when it comes to boundaries, when it comes to those things, again, it's not legalism. But I set boundaries because I love Jesus so much, and I want to save those things for marriage, you know, like sex and so, again, beautiful within marriage. Yeah. Outside of marriage, it's just not God's design and ultimately leads us to brokenness. And so setting up those boundaries to where it helps put guardrails in our relationship to, you know, lead us to that place, you know, first of all, honoring the Lord. And then second, you know, getting to marriage one day, hopefully. And so I think that's important, actually getting to know the person asking hard questions, like, ask those hard questions up front because you never know. Yeah, you get down the line and all of a sudden you find out things that you should have found out in the beginning, but you're surprised and you're shocked now. It's happened to me before. I've gotten months down the line. I'm like, I should have asked this question at the beginning. I should have asked them if they had any addictions, you know. Yeah. And what was going on in their lives. So yeah, yeah, I think it's super important to ask those questions upfront. That's a really that's a smart thing. I think young people need to take that advice for sure. How do young people get connected nowadays. So because everybody's so like in their technology and they're you know, you mentioned this earlier, but your generation is the most connected but disconnected. So how you know, how do young people even get connected in the real world nowadays? I mean, it seems like it's hard. I mean, it wasn't that way when I was a young person. So yeah, we. Didn't have. Technology. So honestly, I kind of envy you a little. Bit in your generation. You guys went on side more. We did. Yes. I know we didn't have cell phones. That's such a blessing. Honestly, if I could go. Back, that'd be great. Yeah, but yeah, it it's a struggle at times and I've had to navigate that myself. Like, how can I make friendships outside of social media? Because most of my friends nowadays I meet online. Yeah. Which I don't think is a bad idea. I mean, I've met friends from all over the US, on social media, on Instagram, and we've connected. I've got to know them, got to know their families. I don't just fly out, meet random people. Yeah. God did other ministry, you know, it's so yeah, I have friends from all over the US where we talk on FaceTime and then sometimes out of the year we'll just fly out and meet each other up. And you know, they're passionate about purity to it. So it's really cool just to have that relationship and that connection where we can sharpen each other. But that and also getting plugged, plugged into groups at your church. So finding a church that has good discipleship groups, small groups, I know the young adults group at my church, I love getting plugged in there and just, you know, going to things like worship nights or coffee shop, you know, gatherings and hangouts and things like that. And so I try to be very intentional with inviting friends out for coffee or, you know, hanging out with friends in person. And if I'm going to talk to them online, like, we might as well go and grab coffee. Yeah. You know, and so I think that's super important to be intentional, to be so intentional it makes a difference is impacted my heart so much. Just meeting up with other friends and hanging out with them. And I think sometimes you can become so depressed being in our homes on our phones all the time. Remember in lockdown, during Covid, this is the worst. Yeah, that was bad. Yeah. And so depression, depression rates and anxiety and suicide rates skyrocket within the younger generations. I honestly think it's because we're so disconnected and we were lacking this connection that we need so desperately. And so yeah, I encourage young people to go out, get outside of your house, you know, go to coffee shops, go to your local church, go to your local gym and just, you know, see if you can connect with people who are solid on fire for the Lord, who's going to sharpen you in your faith and not drag you down. So that's good advice. Yeah. Well, let's talk a little bit about, you know, you you talked to so many different people. So I would imagine there are listeners of your YouTube channel or TikTok that reach out to you with pornography addiction struggles and talk to us a little bit about what you, you know, guide them. You talk to them about, obviously you point them to Covenant Eyes, I'm sure. But you know, how do you relate to them and coach them through that? Yeah. First of all, I try to really help them through the shame cycle of it because I think a lot of times it really does keep people bound, is being stuck in that shame and not wanting to open up about it. So the fact that they even open up about it, I encourage them because it even talks about in James confessing your faults to one another, that you may be healed. And so with young people, I really think, again, having that accountability with somebody you trust, not everybody is trustworthy. I encourage them in that because it's so brave that they even opened up about it and they shared about it, you know. And so I do actually suggest Covenant Eyes. I have linked it in almost every one of my YouTube descriptions and my videos now, and it's been cool to see people using that on their phones. I have friends of mine personally who live locally and they have Covenant Eyes on their phones and they link it to their pastor's phone. And so yeah, I think it's a great resource to have accountability. And so yeah, so one, I push them towards, you know, freedom from sin, getting free from shame, walking them through Romans six and showing them that our identity is no longer sinner. Because I think sometimes with these sin cycles we think, oh, I'm just a sinner. I'm a sinner saved by grace. And I know it's popular. I get the idea of that phrase. And yes, we do mess up in sin at times. However, if we have the identity, whatever we identify with, it is what we're going to walk in. And so I try to show them in Scripture we're free from sin. We've been set free from the power of sin on the cross because of what Jesus did through the blood of Jesus. And so you no longer have to walk in that shame. In those sin cycles. Jesus has set you free. And so when you help them get set free from the shame, showing them that they're free of sin, and showing them that Jesus has given us the ability to have a purified heart, then they can see, oh wait, I can be set free from this thing because I also encourage, you know, things like going to bed early, you know, or setting your phone outside of your room doing things that you need to do practically. I think it's so important. But if we don't have the mentality that we're set free, then it's going to be so easy to walk right back out of that room and grab that phone and bring it right back in and start the addiction again. And so, yeah, I really encourage people and getting set free from those shame cycles in the sin cycles and knowing who we are in Christ and getting plugged in to a local church. That's one of my first questions to people. Yeah. Are you plugged into a local church? Do you have a pastor you know, who's walking alongside of you? Typically, if it's a guy who messages me, I don't engage in conversation a lot. With. That matter. You know, I direct them mainly to pastors. But if it's a girl, you know, we have more of these conversations, and then I will, you know, direct them to, you know, their local pastor. So that's great. I love that and I love that you're driving them back into that community element where they can be connected in real life. So that's good. Well, talk to me a little bit about some of your favorite scriptures. I know you have some. I mean, this is this is what you do. So share with me some of your favorites and things that would be encouraging to our audience. Yeah. Well, actually a couple of them I've pretty much already mentioned. So the I think it's John chapter eight where it talks about Jesus said, you shall know truth, and the truth is what will set you free. And then also Romans chapter eight I have a pulled up here. Let me just read it for y'all, Romans chapter eight. And I quoted it as well. But I'm just going to read says for as many this says Romans chapter eight, verse 14, for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you receive the spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, ABBA, father! The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. And if children, then heirs heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if we indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified together. And so this passage, this is one of the most like highlighted, you know, parts of my Bible, just because this is truly help me walk in the identity of being a daughter of God. And so everything that I do in my life, I want it to flow out of that place like I am a daughter of God, and I want to represent Jesus well and everything that I do. So yeah, these have been some of my life verses, you know, being set free from sin and, and, you know, even the Matthew, I think it's Matthew chapter ten, verse 22 where it talks about those who endure to the end shall be saved. And so this life is really, you know, endurance. Even in the times that we're living in, we have to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus. And I believe the Lord is even calling us back to a time of fixing our eyes on him. And we're seeing all this chaos in the world. So yeah, a lot of these Scripture verses, especially in Romans, Romans chapter six through Romans chapter eight, have been some of my favorites. Romans is the best, I love Romans. There's so much to be gleaned. Yes. Oh my God, I agree. Well, you know, in this culture of, you know, social media and Instagram filters and all of this stuff, I mean, you've talked a little bit about keeping it real and staying centered, but for the listeners out there that maybe, you know, especially if they're struggling with addiction, you know, we put on a facade, we go to church and we paint a face and that's not really who we are or what we're feeling. So how do you coach someone into being there on authentic self and really, you know, sharing, their struggles because we all struggle. We're all we're all sinners, you know, and we're redeemed and saved by the grace of God. But we do need to, you know, address those things in our lives. So talk to me a little bit about that. Yeah. Yeah. So when it comes to being online, I have always tried to have the mentality of just be myself. You know, everyone else is you know, and this like line is so cheesy, but it says everyone else take it. I like I heard that when I was a little kid, but everyone else is getting online and they're doing their thing. But I've seen this generation be so hungry for authenticity and people who are just being their authentic self. I think in past generations we've seen more of the TV type culture where, you know, we're so used to more of the makeup aren't, which I love makeup, but you know, you know, glam and the TV and just very professional set up. And now this generation actually most of them, they want to be influencers and they love to watch content that they can recreate themselves. And so a lot of even iPhone content is super popular nowadays. And so yeah, I just think it's really interesting that they just want to see people who are being them, their authentic selves. Like, who has God created you to be? You know, what personality has he given you? Just be yourself. I love being goofy online. Yeah. You know, putting funny, music to my Instagram story. That's not great. And just being a goofball. Yeah. You know, even you being here in Nashville, I remember earlier I was looking for a country song. Dude, I don't even listen to country music. Like what I will hear because I'm in Nashville. I'm in Nashville. So I was looking for a country song to put to my story. And so just be yourself. Like whoever you are, you know, in Christ, whoever he's created you to be, don't be afraid to get online and just be your authentic self. And you know, I love I'm a girl, I love filters, you know, I love, you know, dressing up I love makeup. Yeah. But at the same time, I have to always keep in mind that, you know, authenticity is so beautiful. It's who God's created us to be. And so even just being honest about personal journeys and stories and, you know, even me sharing my grief journey online, that has not been easy, but it's been something I've see. I have something I've seen impact so many other people because they're walking through similar things. Yeah, but I think a lot of times when we put on this perfection and acting like we never do anything wrong, it actually affects us negatively because it doesn't help us see, okay, other people are also walking through the same thing that I'm walking through, and I think it actually helps other people free to see, oh, they walked through this and they got through it. They saw the light of the at the end of the tunnel and God set them free. And so I just love to continue to share more of my story online. And I plan to continue to. I mean, there's parts of my life that I love to be sacred. Yeah, that's what's hard about social media. But at the same time, I think being authentic is really helpful because it shows people I'm not in this alone. And ministers and people on social media, they're not perfect. They have normal lives. I'm a normal person. I get up and I drink my cup of coffee and I sit with the Lord, and then I go to work. Yes. Oh, that's great. Well, our time is coming to a close today. So, you know, in closing, are there any special messages or, you know, words of wisdom that you want to share with our audience? Yeah. I mean, always keeping your eyes fixed on Jesus. It sounds so simple, but truly, in the times that we're living in, you know, the Bible talks about, I think it's Matthew chapter 24 says, the love of many will grow cold. And so many ministers again falling away right now all across the nation. And we're hearing rumors of wars and all this stuff is going on that's like complete chaos. And you know, we're, you know, in a season that's just wild. And so I really believe that the Lord is calling us to get our eyes off of men and get our eyes back onto Jesus again, and to see him as the center focus in our churches, in our lives and our ministries. Getting back to community accountability, getting back to the table where we're gathered around, we're having meals together again, and we're doing local discipleship and walking hand in hand and actually doing life together. And so, yeah, that's been on my heart. I really believe that the Lord's trying to root us in the word and, you know, rooted in community and be people who are led by the Spirit of God. And so, yeah, that has changed my life. And I just so passionate about other people seeing that as well. That's great. Well, I think that's a great way to wrap up today's episode. And, you know, remind our listeners like it is a call to join in with your local church and get tapped in. You need community. It's essential accountability as part of that walk. But at the center of it all is Christ. And so yeah, thank you so much, Hannah. This has been a great conversation. Thank you for your, you know, your optimism, your energy and your passion to serve the Lord. We need more of that in this world. So thank you. Thank you. Thanks to all our listeners for tuning in today. Take care. God bless.